Friday, October 24, 2008

Is Barack Obama a citizen of the USA?

This is an ongoing court case about THIS election. Everyone should know about this.


Anonymous said...

How interesting!
I admit, I'm a one or few issues voter, and hate the murder of babies. However, if the only reason Obama's Honolulu birth certificate is doubtful is because it didn't have a seal, that's explainable by his using a newly obtained certificate.
My State no longer uses raised seals on death certificates, which is a major problem with insurance companies.

If Obama were born in Honolulu, I believe him to be a natural born US citizen, and that taking advantage of Indonesia's educational system didn't strip him of American citizenship.

I'm amazed I seem to be defending his right to run for Pres, because, though I've carefully avoided saying this on the net, I believe that if he wins, which seems likely at the moment, the country is in for a lot of trouble.

I mean, tell me that Barack Hussein Obama is going to bless Israel.

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

Hello, anonymous. Thank you for posting your thoughts. I think the problem is that Barack has not submitted his birth certificate to the court. Instead, he has blocked and stalled and the DNC has aided him in this. What advantage would there be to him when a birth certificate could easily be presented to stop this case? I can't think of any advantage unless there is something being hidden. The birth certificate you mentioned was up on his website, but has not been submitted to the courts.

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

Also, I won't count the votes until they are in. It's very disturbing to have lived on the west side of this country and be told by the news my vote doesn't really count when it is election day. But, 10 days BEFORE the election and I'm being told by the media that this is a slam dunk! Amazing. I think the American people are much smarter than the media gives them credit for and won't consider their votes unimportant just because the media says they are.

sewmelody said...

Thanks so much for sharing this information! I am already decided in my vote but this introduces information that might explain why he has not been forthcoming with all of his records (including education and medical)...I will be happy to share this with people I know who are likewise confused.

I thought an excellent point made was that many employers of middle-class America demand much more documentation than Obama has provided in his bid for President of the USA. Civil Service employees all over the country (including police and fire personnel) are required to undergo phsycological and physioligical testing in addition to providing a complete medical, educational and job history. Many cities even require a polygraph (lie-detector) test! The President of the United States is the ultimate civil servant. He works for us and we should demand that this information be forthcoming.

Graceful Moments said...

Glad you posted this. I received an email with a link to this. I agree with you, if there is no problem why not be forthcoming with it!
I voted last week!

BTW, you have been tagged! Hope you don't mind! Visit my blog to find out what that means!

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

LOL I've been tagged! I guess I better post something.

ginabee said...

Be interesting to see the outcome of this case!
Why hide documents, if they are accurate?

smrstrauss said...

The Constitution makes clear that President is decided in an election every four years, and it makes clear that there are two legal requirements for a US President: that he be native born (born in the USA) and that he be over the age of 35.

However, it does not say who decides whether a person is native born or over the age of 35.

That being the case, you can assume that the Federal courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court, would ultimately decide. But it might not. The Supreme Court has repeatedly said that it only wants to get into such things if it has to. And, if the Supreme Court decides it will hear the case, it almost certainly will be after the election, and if it found in your favor (which is extremely unlikely since there is no evidence), then at the most it would make Joe Biden president.

But there is another judge, a better judge: We the voters.

If Obama were proven to have been born outside the USA, then I assume that we would honor the Constitution and not vote for him.

Some, of course, would continue to vote for Biden, meaning for the Democratic ticket, on the assumption that the Supreme Court might get involved and the resolution would be to give the election to Biden.

But some of us would change our vote to McCain, or vote for Nader or Bob Barr (the Libertarian Party candidate), or not vote at all.

If this is what you desire, then you should bring your case before the American People, we the voters.

There is little time left. Today (Monday 27) there are eight days before the election, meaning that there are only seven days to present your evidence, since most of us have made up our minds by at least the night before the election. Of course, with early voting, some of us have made up our minds already. So time is pressing as far as you are concerned.

But do not imagine that we are fools. In other words, to make your case that Obama is not a native born citizen YOU have to make a case. You have to present your evidence.

It is not enough to say “why doesn’t he show his birth certificate?” He is busy, and people do lose their birth certificates.

I have seen a photo on the Web of his certificate of live birth from the State of Hawaii, and, you know, NO one in the government of the State of Hawaii has come forward to claim that that document has been forged.

In order to prove that he was born in Kenya or some other place, you really have to show some evidence that he was BORN in Kenya or that other place. An audio tape recording from someone who is said to be his paternal grandmother saying that she remembers that he was born in Kenya really doesn’t cut it. Why not? Because we do not know whether the voice on the tape is the real grandmother, it could be any Kenyan old lady. Or, even if it is the grandmother, she could be remembering wrong. It happens. So you will need both to substantiate that the tape is of the grandmother AND show something else.

You might produce records from the Kenyan immigration department showing that it checked in Obama’s mother into Kenya sometime before the birth. Or you could show a notice in a Kenyan newspaper. Or you could show a Kenyan birth certificate, or the record of a hospital. But without that, who will believe you???

Back four years ago, when John Kerry was running for president, a number of blogs made the claim that he really had not won the Silver Star. There was no proof, they said, even though the Navy substantiated the fact that he had won the Silver Star. “Why doesn’t he come forward and show the papers that confirm that he won the Silver Star” was asked at the time, and when that was not enough, it was alleged that he really did not win the Silver Star for bravery, but instead because he had pull among the brass in the Navy.

All of that rode on the question: “Why doesn’t he?”

The answer is that claims of this kind can be made forever. Sensible people understand the principle of the burden of proof. The burden of proof is on the people trying to disprove that he is a native-born US citizen.

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

"If this is what you desire, then you should bring your case before the American People, we the voters." smrstrauss

Smrstrauss, are you addressing this to me? Am I the "you" in here and you are the "we the voters"? I'm a voter. I research information that people present. I presented this for people to consider. My job is artist.

Perhaps you should address your concerns and advice for presenting a case to the lawyer who brought this case against Obama? Or maybe you can address this to the judge whose job it is to make this decision based on evidence presented . . . or not presented?

Sue (aka Soo) said...

A powerful post Gina! I put another video on my blog that covers some other issues with Obama. Emailing the link on YouTube to any address I have. I'm with you. I'll wait to see the results before I trust the polls on this one. Oh, and with regards to "Smrstrauss", it would appear they 'drank the kool-aid'. Your response was right on.

Recycled By Hyena said...

Of course Obama is an american citizen. And even if he wasn't it doesn't make of him a lesser man.
His birth certificate was authentified.

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

I don't think being a citizen or not of the USA makes anyone less or more of a person. It's just a rule that to run for President you have to be a natural born citizen. The evidence hasn't been presented to the court where the decision by the judge hasn't been made yet.

I don't know whether this case has been decided by the judge or not. If anyone finds out this information, please share the information here.

smrstrauss said...

About six years have passed since this article was posted, and Obama was elected president in that year, and he was re-elected president in 2012, and so far there hasn't even been HEARINGS on the question of whether or not he is a citizen or a Natural Born Citizen in the congress.

That is because:

Obama's birth on US soil has been proven by (1) his Hawaii birth certificate; (2) the repeated confirmation of their sending it to Obama and all the facts on it being the same as what they sent by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth of a child to a woman NAMED STANLEY from the head of obstetrics at Kapiolani Hospital; (6) the INS inspector who checked on Obama's father's residence status and wrote: "They have one child, born in HONOLULU."

Gina - RoseThistleArtworks said...

Thank you, smrstrauss, for answering the question whether any court has even heard this case. It appears the courts of this land have decided that the voters/citizens have to carry the burden of proof that they have standing to even bring a question of eligibility for the job of President to the court. And the courts have decided that the citizens/voters do not meet that eligibility. Strange how the courts have such stringent concerns for eligibility for the citizens to even be heard in a court in a land whose government is a Republic, which means ruled by Law and each citizen, regardless of race, job, religion, etc. SHOULD have equal standing before The Law. Natural born citizen means that both parents were citizens. There has been no argument and obama claims that his father is Kenyan. He is not eligible, never was eligible, never will be eligible for that job position in the American government IF The Constitution IS The Law of this land. Being an alleged Conostitutional professor, he knows this and disregards The Law because he was able to. Doesn't make it right.